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Sony FDR-AX700.No HDR or 2020 Colour Space available on compatible TV

chasteven — Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:28:54 GMT

I have connected via HDMI to Sony,Samsung(Q9F),Panasonic and LG OLED.The TVs play back in 4K and 24p but none accept the signal in HDR and 2020.The output screen shows that the recordings are in this format .How do I get a 4K HDR TV to support the output in HDR and 2020.Playback of 4K HDR 2020 Blu Ray is fine on all the TVs I have tried.

There is very little to adjust on the playback menu,apart from Auto and a manual selection.I have tried both.

Re: Sony FDR-AX700.No HDR or 2020 Colour Space available on compatible TV

Sean_Mc — Tue, 09 Jul 2019 15:33:14 GMT

Hi there,

I'm looking into this and will update the thread when I have an answer. In the meantime, perhaps another member of the community may be able to advise.

Best wishes,

Sean Mc

Re: Sony FDR-AX700.No HDR or 2020 Colour Space available on compatible TV

Vanilla_ — Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:19:15 GMT

Hi chasteven,

Does this happen with HDR images and video? I've been looking in the Manual of your camcorder and noticed that you can view images recorded with HDR on a TV using a USB cable: https://helpguide.sony.net/cam/1710/v1/en/contents/TP0001492377.html?search=HDR

Also, Do you receive any error messages from the TVs indicating what's wrong with the playback?

Vanilla_

Re: Sony FDR-AX700.No HDR or 2020 Colour Space available on compatible TV

chasteven — Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:51:00 GMT

The camcorder shows that it is playing HDR and 2020.
The Samsung Q9f treats the signal has UHD and 24pfs but with normal REC
709.
No error message on screen
For some reason it is missing out the HDR and 2020 component

Re: Sony FDR-AX700.No HDR or 2020 Colour Space available on compatible TV

IamNic — Wed, 10 Jul 2019 18:06:09 GMT

Hello @chasteven,

please read the comment of @Vanilla_ more careful.

The Camcorder seemingly has to be connected via micro-USB with your TV and you have to play the HLG files from the Camcorder just if it were a USB-drive with the files on.

Did you try that?

- Nic

Re: Sony FDR-AX700.No HDR or 2020 Colour Space available on compatible TV

chasteven — Sat, 13 Jul 2019 07:08:28 GMT

Re: Sony FDR-AX700.No HDR or 2020 Colour Space available on compatible TV

chasteven — Sat, 13 Jul 2019 15:44:28 GMT

Re: Sony FDR-AX700.No HDR or 2020 Colour Space available on compatible TV

chasteven — Sat, 13 Jul 2019 15:58:46 GMT

Thank you for your advise.I have had a friend who is into computers at mine this afternoon and he cannot understand how UHD with HDR and 2020 colourspace can be transmitted to a TV through USB.If you were connecting to a computer that would be different since the computer would have the necessary drivers and programmes on board to interpret the signal.

I have also connected to a Pansonic and LG TV,my 4K projector with the same results as my Samsung Q9F.The units do not recognise the input at all.

On the screen of the camcorder it shows the standard info as though you were connecting to a computer.

As the camcorder and all the sources I have tried are all HDR compatible I cannot understand why the Sony does not send out only part of the signal.At the moment I have UHD 24fps with REC 709.

Whilst I understand what Sony are saying I do not see how to impliment it.

Re: Sony FDR-AX700.No HDR or 2020 Colour Space available on compatible TV

IamNic — Sat, 13 Jul 2019 16:03:31 GMT

Hello @chasteven,

@chasteven schrieb:

he cannot understand how UHD with HDR and 2020 colourspace can be transmitted to a TV through USB.

your camcorder can be recognized by a TV as storage media - just like if you plug in your USB-stick with video files on it.

Meaning you should try to let the TV play the files from the camcorder instead of trying to feed it in via HDMI as far as I understand the response from @Vanilla_.

- Nic

Re: Sony FDR-AX700.No HDR or 2020 Colour Space available on compatible TV

chasteven — Sat, 13 Jul 2019 17:25:04 GMT

Would an FDRAX700 owner with an HDR TV connect via USB and let me know what happens.

Many Thanks

Re: Sony FDR-AX700.No HDR or 2020 Colour Space available on compatible TV

IamNic — Sat, 13 Jul 2019 17:27:24 GMT

Hello @chasteven,

I could try, even though my Philips TV probably doesn't support the video codec of the files, so that test would be of no use for you.

The TV also is no HDR model, so any HDMI-testing from my side would be of no use.

I use HLG recording to have my videos on YouTube in HDR and also have a HDR-ready video archive as soon as I switch my workflow to a 100% HDR production.

- Nic

Re: Sony FDR-AX700.No HDR or 2020 Colour Space available on compatible TV

chasteven — Sun, 14 Jul 2019 08:28:03 GMT

I have looked at the full manual for the camcorder and it says that when recording on Picture Profile 10 this confirms to the ITU-R-BT2100 international standard for Hybrid Log Gamma (HLG/HDR)

This is clearly not happening since a Panasonic 4K Blu Ray Player which conforms to the above plays back HDR through the HDMI cable fine.

If the camcorder did confirm to these standards then it should output the HDR to a compatible device without any issues and not need to have HDR outputting through the USB connection.

Perhaps a technical person could tell me why Sony have put this information in the manual which in reality is completely false as far as playback is concerned.

The whole point of having international standards is that all compatible equipment should work together but it seems that Sony have decided to implement their own version!

Re: Sony FDR-AX700.No HDR or 2020 Colour Space available on compatible TV

IamNic — Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:54:31 GMT

Hello @chasteven,

as I said, I can't test it on my TV unfortunately - yet the files are definetly in HLG/HDR if you use a picture profile which is set up accordingly.

I also am not sure if the camcorder "triggers" the playback device via HDMI at all - which may be the reason for @Vanilla_ to recommend you playing back the video files directly.

What I know is, that if I import the files to Magix Video Pro X and export them as a HEVC file with BT2020 color space and the correct color depth, that YouTube will recognize the file as HDR and play it back as such on any HDR device the video is played on.

- Nic

Re: Sony FDR-AX700.No HDR or 2020 Colour Space available on compatible TV

Chris1936 — Thu, 22 Aug 2019 19:08:13 GMT

FYI I have a Sony FDR-AX700 and when I connect it to my LGOLED55E7N TV, which does support HDR, via USB, it fails to read the ExFAT file format which is the only one supported by the Sony camcorder. I also have a Samsung 50" TV which doe NOT support HDR but which can read USB formatted drives with NTFS, ExFAT and wide range of video formats. Sorry I can't verify your request directly but I have copied some video to an HDD formatted in NTFS which I took using Picture Profile 10 which I believe includes HDR and the LG is supposed to indicate in the top left of the screen that it is using an HDR video input but it didn't and I have been unable to find out why or even if it was handling the HDR content properly! I also tried a You Tube 4K video which claimed to be HDR (I think it was a Sony promotional video clip) but again my LG didn't show it recognised an HDR input - leaving me still puzzled!

I hope someone will be able to provide you with a clear answer and solution.

Re: Sony FDR-AX700.No HDR or 2020 Colour Space available on compatible TV

chasteven — Sat, 28 Sep 2019 17:10:24 GMT

I have been having many exchanges of e mails regarding playback of HDR through HDMI bearing in mind that the manual clearly states that it complies with the standards for HDR.

These standards require a minimum of 10 bit information ( the camcorder only records in 8 bit).SONY NOW TELLS ME THAT HDR IS NOT SUPPORTED THROUGH THE HDMI AS IT WAS TOO EARLY IN BEING IMPLIMENTED IN THE DESIGN SPEC.ABOSOLUTE TOSH! Even if it did then it still would not work since it does not meet the standards!