topic FDR-AX53 shooting interlaced when set to progressive in Camcorders

FDR-AX53 shooting interlaced when set to progressive

Filminator — Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:38:37 GMT

Hello,

My FDR-AX53 camera reset by itself one day, and now I can't make it shoot it 1080/25p AVCHD. I tried resetting again, changing some other settings, going to 50p (which works) and back to 25p, but the videos I get are 25i instead of 25p, which is more than annoying (who shoots in 25i anymore, not a top of the line camcorder certainly).

Has anyone encountered this problem, is there a solution?

Thanks in advance!

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Marino.Manolo — Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:52:44 GMT

If I'm not mistaken the 25p you only have them in XAVC S HD:

https://helpguide.sony.net/cam/1630/v1/en/contents/TP0000946132.html

Manolo

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Filminator — Wed, 10 Apr 2019 13:20:58 GMT

That page does not list all the frame rates, just expected recording times.

I have the option to set framerate to 25p in AVCHD mode, and it used to work. It only stopped working since the camera reset by itself.

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Marino.Manolo — Wed, 10 Apr 2019 13:48:55 GMT

Yes sorry my mistake:

https://helpguide.sony.net/cam/1630/v1/en/contents/TP0000933299.html

Manolo

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Filminator — Wed, 10 Apr 2019 18:13:26 GMT

Actually, since you brought it up, the camera is outputting files in a mode it doesn't support (1080/25i), so this is definitely a fault. I'm not sure if the files have really been shot interlaced, or just incorrectly marked as interlaced, although the content is shot as progressive, but it's really messing up my workflow.

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IamNic — Wed, 10 Apr 2019 18:32:28 GMT

Hello @Filminator,

please ensure you have actually confirmed and not just clicked the setting on the camera.

Most people on the Sony community which had a similar issue thought they had confirmed the switch to a progressive format, yet they didn't click the little arrow in the lower right corner to confirm the switch.

- Nic

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Filminator — Thu, 11 Apr 2019 07:39:00 GMT

First of all: yes, I ensured I "have actually confirmed and not just clicked the setting on the camera". The menu says clearly "Frame Rate 25p".

Secondly, as I already pointed but you probably didn't bother reading, there is no 25i mode on this camera, so no matter if I confirmed or not, the camera should not output 25i video.

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IamNic — Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:17:13 GMT

Hello @Filminator,

so where do you get the interlaced reading from then?

Did you right click the file on your computer and then open the tab "details"?

- Nic

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Filminator — Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:21:31 GMT

Does it really matter?

Both Premiere Pro and MediaInfo say the files are 25i, is that enough?

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IamNic — Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:23:23 GMT

Hello @Filminator,

@Filminator schrieb:

Does it really matter?

to me it matters, yes.

Please open the detail tab and take a screenshot of the "video" values.

- Nic

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Filminator — Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:30:16 GMT

That would be totally useless and besides the point, as the details tab in Windows does not provide any info about the scanning method, only framerate.

But since you think you know everything and don't trust such proffessional tools as Premiere Pro, I will humor you:

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IamNic — Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:45:56 GMT

Hello @Filminator,

@Filminator schrieb:

Windows does not provide any info about the scanning method, only framerate.

that is true, yet it shows the bitrate and that was what I wanted to get down to to see which format you shoot in.

You seem to shoot in the AVCHD format and there you either choose the FX or FH mode.

Maybe since AVCHD also supports 50i, your video editing software mistakenly thinks the 25p footage is 50i footage.

I would switch to XAVC-S to test this.

- Nic

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Filminator — Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:51:19 GMT

"My video editing software" (top rated and world known, but anyway) is showing 25p for videos filmed before the self-reset incident, and 25i (not 50i) for the clips filmed with the same settings after the incident, so it's definitely not an error of the software.

I will try XAVC-S, but I don't like that mode, because of how the files are imported (I rely heavily on the shooting date and time embedded in the filename, which seems to be available only in AVCHD mode).

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IamNic — Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:57:27 GMT

Hello @Filminator,

I am just trying to help you - without having the camera or your computer in front of me I have to do that by asking questions, which may or may not sound stupid to you.

What otherwise would be a random click with the mouse, which you wouldn't even notice if you were standing right beside me is a whole back and forth between us two on this forum here.

I wish there was a way to play around with your camcorder without asking you to perform steps which may not lead to a conclusion, yet sentences like this

@Filminator schrieb:

"My video editing software" (top rated and world known, but anyway) is showing 25p for videos filmed before the self-reset incident, and 25i (not 50i) for the clips filmed with the same settings after the incident, so it's definitely not an error of the software.

don't really motivate me to investigate any further.

@Filminator schrieb:

I rely heavily on the shooting date and time embedded in the filename, which seems to be available only in AVCHD mode

that is correct - XAVC-S uses the "CXXXX.mp4" naming scheme.

- Nic

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Filminator — Thu, 11 Apr 2019 11:08:28 GMT

That is because your questions sound like they are addressed to a person that has no experience with filming and has just bought this camera, basically questioning the existence of my problem instead of coming up with causes or solutions. I'm sorry, but that is now what I came here for.

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IamNic — Thu, 11 Apr 2019 11:33:48 GMT

Hello @Filminator,

@Filminator schrieb:

That is because your questions sound like they are addressed to a person that has no experience with filming and has just bought this camera

in this forum I meet people of different levels of knowledge regarding photography or video shooting/editing.

Therefore I approach everyone the same way which is usually met with a positive response.

In your case I can understand that you might feel like I am taking you for an idiot, even though i am not.

@Filminator schrieb:

basically questioning the existence of my problem

To be honest - in 90% of the cases it is user error which leads to any issue reported on the Sony Community.

As I said before there were similar posts which could have had the same underlying issue.

Also I don't have all the specs of every device memorized, which can lead to either A - mixing up the specs of two similar products or B - assuming your product has a feature which it has not.

In both cases it might be very frustrating to you, since it seems like I don't properly read your posts.

@Filminator schrieb:

I'm sorry, but that is now what I came here for.

This is a user-user-help forum - if you want to talk to more sophisticated people, you might want to call the support hotline, even though it can be that you get a rather unexperienced support-agent on the other end of the line in that case as well.

Would you mind to share a screenshot of the message which pops up in Premiere Pro when you want to import on of the affected files? Maybe I can do some research on the Premiere Pro forums to see why it might misinterpret the files scanning method by knowing the exact way the message is worded.

I assume since the camera is set to 25p and you probably already played back the files and can't see any artifacts which would indicate the footage is anything else than 25p footage, the files are in fact misinterpreted by both MediaInfo and Premiere Pro.

On the other hand if the videos shows scan-lines while the camera is set to 25p, the issue is on the cameras end as you already suspected.

- Nic

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Filminator — Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:30:53 GMT

You are actually right, the problem is in the latest version of Premiere Pro and not the camera. I just linked the problem with the self-reset reported to me by the person filming several weeks ago, which, after further inquiries, proved to be just a more or less accidental change of shooting mode, and not with the Premiere Pro update that happened a little later.

Now I checked with a friend that has 2 machines, one with the latest version of PP and one with an earlier one, and he confirmed that the issue manifests only on the machine with the latest version.

What is weird is that MediaInfo started reporting erroneously too, which means that either the PP update messed something system-wide, or that MediaInfo somehow uses a PP library.

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IamNic — Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:49:27 GMT

Hello @Filminator,

thanks for letting me know of your findings

I marked your last reply as the solution - I hope that is ok with you.

- Nic