topic Re: android 10 on sony x950h in Android TV

android 10 on sony x950h

karamo90 — Sun, 11 Apr 2021 14:59:30 GMT

Hello i have a question.I recently bought a new sony bravia x950h with android 9.Will the Tv be upgraded in the future to android 10 or not??

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

EUSupport_EN — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:21:35 GMT

Hi Karamo,

I couldn't find any related information regarding rolling out Android 10 on this TV, however you can find the latest news here: https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/support/televisions-projectors-lcd-tvs-android-/kd-55xh9505

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

karamo90 — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 13:30:33 GMT

So we don't have any news that the Android 10 firmware will be on Sony
x950h?

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

Diloul — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 17:27:00 GMT

No it seems Sony isn't the great company it uses to be anymore.

For exemple the x91j is a 2021 re-issue of the 2020 X900h.

Guess what is the only difference ?

Google tv on the x90j.

To answer your question :

https://www.cnet.com/news/google-tv-is-the-new-android-tv-coming-to-sony-smart-tvs-this-year-ces-2021-tcl/

I have been a Sony customer since the PS1 and even before that, every tv i had were Sony.

My x900h is the last and i will never buy anything labelled Sony again.

We gamers bought the x900h on the promess that it's 4k@120hz, it's not its half the vertival resolution in 120hz and it's blurry yet Sony says " works as intended".

The 2021 models dont have this blur issue, this is false advertising !

We are still waiting for vrr, allm, no communication at all.

Time to move to Microsoft console sadly and LG CX Tv.

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

rooobb — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:07:38 GMT

I don't want to stop your dreaming, but my LG CX won't get webos 6.0 (not that i want it in any case) and it is exactly the same tv as the newer C1 model. While at least the X90J has a completely different architecture.

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

Diloul — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 17:30:09 GMT

I'm not dreaming Thanks.

I meant x91j it's exactly the same as the x900h expet for google tv.

And for the x90j, it's exactly the same mediatek soc hdmi 2.1 as the x900h but with the addition of co-processor wich many believe is here to fix the 4k@120hz blur.

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

rooobb — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 17:59:12 GMT

I don't know an X91J, but if you think that in a tv an image processor like the XR one that is implemented in the 2021 line up is an "optional" compared to the mediatek SoC, I cannot argue.

You'll see that sooner or later the Google Tv interface (because is only that, still an Android TV 10 is the core) will be implemented also on some 2020 model and you'll find out that won't add anything to your tv experience. If you still have the tv at the time...

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

Diloul — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:42:39 GMT

I'm not sure we have the same interest in these tvs.

I'm very satisfied with the picture and even if the xr will do better that's not my issue here.

I said they all have the same mediatek soc wich is made and powerfull enought to display 4k@120hz and use hdmi 2.1 features like vrr and allm.

Atm the x900h can't display pure 4k@120hz it only displays 1080p in vertical resolution, wich result in blurry image. So when Sony says 4k@120hz on the x900h it's pure lie.

On the contrary the x90j released a few months later don't have blur with the SAME mediatek SOC but some thinks the co-processor added help.

It'a also believed that android 10 or 11 can help withe XH900 issue that's why it's bs to relase news models already updated and leaving 2020 behind wihout working promised features

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

rooobb — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:56:15 GMT

You are right: we don't have the same interest in these TV since I would never buy a non-OLED TV, but I was just answering to your expectations that unfortunately are based on "belief" as you stated. But I don't want to upset you, if you don't want to read what I have to say I'll stop immediately.

I just wanted to point out:

google tv won't solve anything on the picture quality side: since it is released by Google it does not have anything to do with the TV hardware (ok for something yes, it can lock unlock certain features in their public API but that is related more to 3rd party apps)
I don't know, and none really knows, which are the real limits of the mediatek chip (apart Sony/Philips or mediatek itself). The XR processor is the one the manage the picture processing and it is a massive update vs the XH90 that makes use of a processor that is older than my own 2017's A1. This is due (but I'm speculating here) to the need to release an HDMI2.1 compliant TV together with the PS5, and the reason why XH95 for normal use is better and more expensive

So, summarizing, my answer meaning was to not rely and not expect anything from Google TV. And no other company in the market release major update for the OS like Sony with Android TV (my own A1 has got Nougat/Oreo and Pie updates but the quality was stunning since day-1).

The question about 4k@120hz support (as well as VRR) is a different problem, and I have my opinion on that too if you want to here it. Nonetheless I agree that it should be fixed (if possible via a software upgrade)

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

Diloul — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 08:52:17 GMT

You don't upset me don't worry. I think our misunderstanding come from my bad english.

Google tv comes with android 10 at least and many believe that android 10 11 will bring solutions for vrr ect... Google said it themselves.

But tbh you don't seem to know the small differences between 2020 and 2021 models.

It's absolutely not a complety different tv for the 2021 models.

We"ve been discussing the x900h for 1000 pages on avs forums, i think i know a few things about our 1st issue being 4k@120hz and the mediatek soc.

Again the mediatek soc that handle every hdmi 2.1 feature is exactly the same on every 4k@120hz sony tv in 2020 and 2021, the xr processor handling picture has nothing to do with the 4k@120hz issues.

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/owners-thread-for-the-sony-x900h-no-price-talk.3125278/page-1004

I also recommand youtube Vincent Teoh videos from HDTV Tests, this guy is well know for his acurate tests and knowledge concerning tv.

He's the guy that contacted Sony about the 4k@120hz blur in the first place and sony answered him officially saying it's working as intended when we all know that's absolutely not true and we only have half the resolution verticaly on 4k@120hz.

Sony said " we think players prefer smoothness over resolution".

That is BS, we bought a 4k@120hz tv not 1080p@120hz tv, especially when there is no problem at 4k@120hz with the x90j and yet both are sold as 4k@120hz.

That said, i'd like your opinion on 4k@120hz too.

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

rooobb — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 08:54:22 GMT

Please just be aware that you are mixing up things reading that blog: AFAIK i.e. X91J they are referring to is only a US/Canada model that does not exists in Europe. And even with the same model number specification may differ.

I didn't get the things about Google referring to VRR but still I, personally, can't understand how they can address a problem with HW/driver that are being analyzed by Sony engineer (and still they should not have found a solution being that even for the new models the FTA is set for fall/winter 2021).

I agree that is the mediatek SoC that manage the data flow on the HDMI ports but how they are rendered on the screen is different from 2020 models vs 2021 model: on previous year that was entirely done by the Soc being the loosy integration of the basic X1 chip (i.e. no smooth gradiation feature is the most visibly missing one), while this year the flow is processed by the XR chip (and no blur). How much is visible the blur at normal viewing distance (and how many details are lost from game side rendering in 4k@120hz vs 4k@60Hz) is subjective and me not being a gamer cannot judge.

Summarizing, my 2 pence: don't count on Google, rather hope that Sony (or maybe better Mediatek) solve the problem for your X90H

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

Diloul — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 09:00:00 GMT

Yes probably, but no google tv.

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

Diloul — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:05:43 GMT

There is no visible at distance or not thing...

When you buy something labelled 4k@120hz IT HAS to be 4k@120hz not 1080p@120hz otherwise it's false advertisement.

https://9to5google.com/2020/09/22/android-11-tv-gamepad-update/?fbclid=IwAR3so7lGpHP2qsO5XysYb41f1f1Wygrcxh77uBDarAHgCDWFOk2FnDly_RE

I think you neee more infos about what the mediatek soc is able to do :

https://amp.reddit.com/r/bravia/comments/itbjh7/the_truth_about_hdmi_21_support_in_current_model/

Know that Panasonic 2021 4k@120hz will be release with same issues 4k@120hz and vrr , they officially reconized it and said they will provide a future update to fix that and it's using THE SAME MEDIATEK soc...

vincent Teoh had an interview with director of product from TCL avout their new Tvs 4k@120hz using again THE SAME MEDITATEK soc and he asked him about issues, he also said it's not harware related as the mediatek soc is more than enought to do the job, it's a firmware issue for others brands such as Sony and Panasonic

https://youtu.be/DGlMv7CzaB4 (5:00)

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

Diloul — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:45:59 GMT

Someone had enought courage to install the x90j firmware on the x900h and it works we just need someone to test 4k@120hz blur.

I'm absolutely not the only one that thinking that the firmware can solve the issue with android updated.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bravia/comments/l4xzqp/sony_bravia_firmware_discussion_megathread/gv5q2ml/?utm_term=36712583373&context=3&utm_medium=comment_embed&utm_source=embed&utm_name=cc041ee4-a1c0-11eb-b28f-0ecc9667bb33

Now his x900h run on google tv without problem, so why not give us google tv too and make buy a new tv to get it ?

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

Joe_Dohn — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 11:01:42 GMT

Sony still confirm that an update will introduce VRR and ALLM, so the improvements you're referring to may as well be included in the same update.

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

Diloul — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 11:19:28 GMT

We hope so, the problem being that Sony when asked about this issue said "Works as intended, we think that players want smoothness over resolution"...

If it was really what they they tought, then why the x90j works like a charm on 120hz ?

That's for the 4k@120hz issue, the other matter is they don't intend to give us Google Tv on 2020 models, just to sell the 2021 models that have it.

It's very vicious from Sony.

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

Joe_Dohn — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 11:16:08 GMT

The reply I've seen over Twitter also included something in the same vein of "this feature is in it's early stages and is more focused on motion video rather than still images".

I'm not sure if I misunderstood but as far as the feature goes, they're still working on it.

PS: I'll try to find the tweet I saw and link it here later today if I can.

- JD

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

Diloul — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 11:46:55 GMT

You are absolutely right

But they said "works as intended".

But as i said earlier 4k@120hz works fine on the x90j so they already know how to make it works perfectly.

The real question is : Is the x900h really able to display pure 4k@120hz or Sony sold this tv on a lie and false advertisment ?

Re: android 10 on sony x950h

Joe_Dohn — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 11:46:27 GMT

Well, if the feature is implemented properly in the new models, that might literally be the reason since it's natural to prioritize fixing an issue in a product before release as a form of damage control, then roll that fix back to the older models.

It's mainly a question of how long that will take, hopefully not too long.

PS: I was mistaken, it wasn't Twitter, it was me actually contacting them previously and I posted about it on another thread here.

Hope this helps!

- JD